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« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2012, 10:16:08 PM »
I received my diploma for BIP this week. A note attached said my instructor recommended me for a new advanced novel program. What do you know about this program? Should I be thrilled or just realize student enrollment fees is how long ridge makes money?
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« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2012, 10:53:57 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS! I think you should be honored :-)
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« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2012, 11:41:24 PM »
No, not everybody gets that recommendation.  :-)  Believe me, the course is a nightmare unless the student has a publishable level of craft going in. It's not about writing better, it's about novel craft  That's why it's not simply an available course.  You really do have to meet certain standards in order to be eligible.  Ideally, all graduated students should be at that level, but not all students work hard, alas. 

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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2012, 06:34:51 AM »
I took the novel writing course and did not find it a nightmare, Mary  Smiley  I loved it!  I still suspect everyone is offered it based on the amount of people here who say they are offered it.
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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2012, 09:38:49 AM »
I’m not sure about the novel course, but not everyone gets accepted in regards to the BIP course.  I recommended it to someone who took the evaluation test and got turned down.  It surprised me since this person had already finished a novel at the time.  So it’s likely that not everyone gets offered the novel course either. 
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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2012, 12:03:37 PM »
The reason I am inclined to think that is A. LRWG is in the business to make money, which is fine, I have no issue with that and they are a great school, and B. Long, long ago I read some work of a LR student  (no one that posts now, this was long ago), and their writing was awful and they got an invitation to the novel writing course and I thought, "Really?Huh"  I could be wrong, and it doesn't really matter, just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2012, 01:12:26 PM »
I hear ya, Lizbeth.  Just thought I’d share the flip side of the coin.  And technically, your two cents is worth more than mine.  Wink
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2012, 06:40:28 PM »
Lizbeth of course you wouldn't find the novel course a nightmare you are one of those that Mary mentioned who 'has a publishable level of craft going on" Its easy peasy for you, lol and you know it's not for me lol.
Sure ICL and LR are a money making business but they also wouldn't want to waste any instructors time by giving them work whereby it's a 'no can do' I am sure Mary would be the first to go up in arms about getting students who can't make the grade. She has better things to do. What I really do agree with is the apptitude test because I spent years wondering if I could write yep I went to weekend writing classes and the 'how to' classes but I always walked away thinking that I still didn't know if I could 'write.' Having completed the ICL course and the novel course need I say more. Except as some of you know I did my memoir as the novel course and I reckon had I decided to do a novel, it, for me would have been a nightmare. Thinking thinking thinking plotting, characters. etc. I believe if you want to do the novel course make sure you already have your two ideas set out, then all you need to do is learn how to do it right. lol

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« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2012, 08:03:14 AM »
Ann, I have read your writing and it is GOOD!!! You could do a novel and I don't think it would be a nightmare for you. You have a wonderful way of bringing characters and places to life on paper...er...my computer screen!  Smiley

Marly, I'm afraid my 2 cents is now only worth 1 cent, LOL  Wink
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« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2012, 09:25:42 AM »
Thanks Lizbeth but truly it would be a nightmare lol
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« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2012, 12:52:37 PM »
Hi Everyone,

Mary, Thank you for your help on ebooks. I received the May/June issue of Writers Digest and want to let everyone know there is a great article on publishing ebooks. Thanks and have a great day.

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« Reply #101 on: April 15, 2012, 03:58:47 PM »
my first novel is with Mary as we speak. she's editing it. and i didnt do it thru LR. after BIP i took the novel course and yes its hell! not cuz i cant write a novel (Mary's initlay edit response gives me the confidence to say that much Wink ) but because the way LR novel course is designed, it sets u up against a routine. i never write with routines or outlines. i do not edit my first chapter until after completing the entire first draft and i do not make a plan of what my story would be like, what the end would be.

so yep. i've done another book i randomly started with a friend on facebook but my LR novel is...still in the works for over two years now.

and thanx for the info Beverly Smiley
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« Reply #102 on: April 15, 2012, 11:00:49 PM »
No, no, no folks, the novel course is NOT a nightmare and I never said it was.  Most students who take the Breaking Into Print course are quite capable of doing very well with the novel course, as you have clearly found, Lizbeth.  But for the few students who really, for whatever reason, do not have the skillset to make use of what the novel course teaches, it would indeed be a nightmare for both student and instructor. Long Ridge expects students to succeed with that course and if they're not capable of succeeding, of ending up with something that could be published, they don't get to take it. That's the reason I teach for Long Ridge. Sure, they're out to make money.    They have to in order to keep the lights on.  But they make it honestly, by offering a quality product in their courses, rather than scamming with  big promises and offering nothing in return.  You would not believe how much time it took, working with Long Ridge, to develop  a course that met their expectation! 

 I actually had a student recently where I had to let LR know that this person wasn't capable of meeting the course's demands. I believe, in that case, the student was happy to take a different and less demanding course.   But, as I said, most LR students will be able to meet the demands of the novel course by the end of their first course.  That's what we strive for, at least.

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« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2012, 06:22:16 AM »
Mary, here is your earlier quote -- that's where I got it from:   Believe me, the course is a nightmare unless the student has a publishable level of craft going in. Smiley
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« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2012, 08:30:58 AM »
That's how I read it also Lizbeth, however Mary's last sentence said it all if we stop to think about it...I didn't.  lol "Ideally, all graduated students should be at that level, but not all students work hard, alas."
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